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Awful play from opponent? Bug?

eetupmare
eetupmar
edited December 2017 in Specific Hand Questions

So, my opponent is tight and agressive, "some say worlds best even". Yet she reraises my trips with nothing but a backdoor flush draw.
Did i do something wrong? Did i bet too little at the flop? Its a bad beat yes, but i think awful play from her?

Im quite new here but this is the first hand that left me wondering what happened.

Comments

  • eetupmare
    eetupmar

    Correction: flush draw i mean. Bad play anyway?

  • codewizard
    codewizard

    Her play seems quite reasonable to me. That's especially do, if you've been playing loosely, and pushing weak hands.

    You made a button raise, and she had a hand.

    You hit a set. That's not likely to happen. She has a flush draw with 2 broadway cards (most likely overs), and is most likely ahead of your hand. She has no way of knowing you hit a set. If she did she would have folded.

    The outcome of the hand DOES NOT mean it was played badly, or wrong.

  • nytider
    nytider

    I am not sure it is a play I would make, but I am also not at all sure it is a really bad play either. And, I think you want her calling there with the flush draw only. But I am also unsure if I call her three-bet pre-flop with 55. I don't like going to the flop pretty much feeling like I have to hit a two-outer to continue. I wonder what she'd have done if you'd have four-bet there. For her part, pre-flop, she has one of those hands that is too good to fold, but not good enough to call. So that kinda screams three-bet, especially out of position.

    But once you get to the flop and she has a relatively strong flush draw on that low board, she may well figure that she has 15 outs (9 diamonds plus six overcards). If I am her, I am probably not quick to put you on a set, considering the pre-flop action and the board. I am not even quick to put you on pairing the board. I am thinking you have an overpair to the board, suited connectors, or ace-high. I am already ahead of some of the medium connectors in your range, and I have 15 outs, in my mind, to get ahead of your medium pairs and ace-high hands. She has at least a slight edge on the flop against pretty much any reasonable button range I can give you without having played with you for a little while.

    I wouldn't mind hearing Steve's thoughts on this hand if he is looking for a candidate for the next installment of his hand review series.

  • monkeysystem
    monkeysystem

    Using the APT Winning Odds Tool and putting you on a 25% range minus QQ+, AK capped out, Villian has 54% equity on this flop. In a cash game she could cheerfully get stacks in on this flop, especially with the preflop action. Preflop her 3-bet was fairly standard with this hand and your call told her your range could be capped. Even if you are on a 19% range minus QQ+, AKs capped off she is a very slight 50.3% favorite. To sum up, Villian's play was reasonable, at least in a cash game.

  • eetupmare
    eetupmar

    Thanks for looking into this all!

    Ok, youve given some good views for this and im starting to think that maybe it wasnt such bad play after all from her..

    I myself am not sure if i would have called my bet on the flop..
    But again, maybe my play preflop gave her the idea of me having like AQ or a pocket pair from the range of i quess 77-1010? This again maybe justifies her call(or was it a reraise on the flop). Youre thoughts on this?

  • monkeysystem
    monkeysystem
    edited December 2017

    She opened and then 4-bet you on the flop with a premium draw. The range I entered for you in the Winning Odds Tool included 22 - JJ and all broadways except AK. I've been playing around with the Winning Odds Tool with this hand. It's hard to find ranges for you in which she doesn't have >50% all-in equity.

  • eetupmare
    eetupmar

    @monkeysystem said:
    She opened and then 4-bet you on the flop with a premium draw. The range I entered for you in the Winning Odds Tool included 22 - JJ and all broadways except AK. I've been playing around with the Winning Odds Tool with this hand. It's hard to find ranges for you in which she doesn't have >50% all-in equity.

    Ok, thank you. I think ill need to start using that tool more!

  • cerberus
    cerberus

    Her getting stacks in is relatively standard. However, when you raise her flop bet to 65000 and only have like 25k behind your range drastically changes. Sets, Axdd are very possible holdings. She is at best hoping for you to have 66-99. Not sure you're raising so big with those hands. You might do this with JJ,KK,AA as well.
    Two alternate lines. Villian could have checked the flop with the intention of check raising your flop bet. With a flush draw you want to be the aggressor if you're getting it all in.
    Also, 55 is not a bad hand to 4 bet on the button when you are 3 bet from the blinds. Villain is 3 betting light with QTdd against your open and she is still almost a favorite. If you 4 bet there is no way she can continue without a premium holding.

  • highfive
    highfive

    3.5x open raise is too big. I like 3x but you pick something between 2.2x to 3x. Why? You will be bluff raising to steal blinds often on the button. Blinds will 3bet and you will have to fold. No need to risk more.
    Your call is good. Folding not good at these stack sizes. 4bet no good because if she 5bet ships, you have to fold. Shame to waste a pair on the button. You might hit a set.

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