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I actually think I limped and then it went raise/call/call (me) to two reds, which would mean I am at $7:$23 (~3:1) to see a flop with a hand that plays well multiway and can hit a flop hard and somewhat disguised, at a table where I have been card-dead but played the hands I did get aggressively and got folds (so I have a little fear equity), on a streak of a lot of pots where people only had to limp to get a look at a multiway flop (which is why I would have figured it was worth a limp at the outset). There is a chance I was BB, too. I don't really remember (and I should). Come to think of it, I didn't 3x open because the only way I would have done that would have been on a blind steal, and villain #2 was too far to the left.
I had felted villain #1 ten minutes prior with an all-in (his, not mine) against my AKo (A on flop) and had a feeling he was steaming just a little, too. So I wanted to get the action again -- 75s an OK bluffing hand (if cheap), and it's a hand you can get away from easily. I wasn't exactly playing AJo or anything.
But these people were stacking each other here and there (there were a lot of short buy-ins). The table was a little spewy -- PokerStars it ain't. So I had to go to a little bit of an exploitative strategy rather than the by-the-book thing that I'd use on KGB's Dungeon or whatever. I'd already missed trying to get in some flops with the teacher who was grading tests at the table in between hands -- I mean, if the table wasn't liable to just call a $10 raise and go multiway, I might've tried to play iso ball with him. His range was crazy -- he showed down some weird hands. It wasn't the best time to be card-dead.
So online or on KGB or whatever, I'm probably dumping it on the flop. But remember, this guy bluffed a lot and was in a ton of hands, so I could easily see him holding Kx (with "x" being a spade, any spade). This would give him TP and a strong combo draw -- possibly FD plus a BDSD, if he had 6s for instance. Ax offsuit with ace of spades was also possible -- draw to nut flush. He could have AKo with AsKx for TPTK combo draw, although I didn't put him on AK/KK/AA/QQ due to the lack of reraising. As8x could play that way, though, for sure. And I definitely feel any pair with one spade could have played that way through the flop.
But like I said, this is not online poker. And he's the type to put his stack out and try to win it right there -- kind of a little bit of an "aggro fish" thing, but not super-terrible like the teacher was. I didn't like floating that big flop bet, but I wasn't sure I was ready to check out either.
And I also said that I feel like the turn call was a mistake, but I would need maybe 20% equity to make it, so it might be closer than you think. But let's turn the tables a bit -- if the four-flush is on board on the turn and you (as the villain) are up against someone who's been playing like a rock for two hours who actually called your maxed-out flop bet, are you excited about getting it in at ~2:1 with Js as your high spade, or are you at least considering downshifting? That's what I was up against.
No I'm not telling you where this place is.
We were playing ~60-70 BB effective, so it wasn't deep stack poker on that hand. A couple of us were 150-200 BB by then. I don't think it would play out the same way in no limit with 150 BB.
Sorry about the hand not being clear. I do remember he checked the river (with ~$20 behind) and I put him all-in there, so I was probably somewhere in LP but not button. I think the other villain was in SB, and was most likely the PFR.
So...
2-3 spread limit ($100 max)
$230 effective stacks
Hero: 57s
Villain (EP) calls, hero (LP) calls, SB raises to $10, villain and hero both call
Pot $30
Flop K84 (all s)
SB bets $30
Villain max raise to $100
Hero calls
SB folds
Note that villain could have made this move with many hands, including a single spade or 88/44, or even two pair with any K/8/4.
A set would give 2:1 odds (against) of hitting a full house by the river, and two pair is more like 5:1. The fold equity of getting four-flushes out would be a good move for villain. Villain could even do this as a bluff, especially if he thinks he has a decent read on the SB (who did fold, after all). I am really unlikely to cold-call here.
Pot $260
Turn 3s (K843, all s)
Villain bets $100 (max)
Hero calls
I could have dumped the hand here (see previous posts).
Pot $460
River 6s (K8436, all s)
Villain check
Hero all-in
Villain calls (~$20)
Villain shows JsTs
Hero shows 5s7s for straight flush
Comments
wow that hard to follow
first question is what you doing in that pot with 5 7s?
even you hit a flush with all those spades... chances are you have second best flush?
I had felted villain #1 ten minutes prior with an all-in (his, not mine) against my AKo (A on flop) and had a feeling he was steaming just a little, too. So I wanted to get the action again -- 75s an OK bluffing hand (if cheap), and it's a hand you can get away from easily. I wasn't exactly playing AJo or anything.
But these people were stacking each other here and there (there were a lot of short buy-ins). The table was a little spewy -- PokerStars it ain't. So I had to go to a little bit of an exploitative strategy rather than the by-the-book thing that I'd use on KGB's Dungeon or whatever. I'd already missed trying to get in some flops with the teacher who was grading tests at the table in between hands -- I mean, if the table wasn't liable to just call a $10 raise and go multiway, I might've tried to play iso ball with him. His range was crazy -- he showed down some weird hands. It wasn't the best time to be card-dead.
So online or on KGB or whatever, I'm probably dumping it on the flop. But remember, this guy bluffed a lot and was in a ton of hands, so I could easily see him holding Kx (with "x" being a spade, any spade). This would give him TP and a strong combo draw -- possibly FD plus a BDSD, if he had 6s for instance. Ax offsuit with ace of spades was also possible -- draw to nut flush. He could have AKo with AsKx for TPTK combo draw, although I didn't put him on AK/KK/AA/QQ due to the lack of reraising. As8x could play that way, though, for sure. And I definitely feel any pair with one spade could have played that way through the flop.
But like I said, this is not online poker. And he's the type to put his stack out and try to win it right there -- kind of a little bit of an "aggro fish" thing, but not super-terrible like the teacher was. I didn't like floating that big flop bet, but I wasn't sure I was ready to check out either.
And I also said that I feel like the turn call was a mistake, but I would need maybe 20% equity to make it, so it might be closer than you think. But let's turn the tables a bit -- if the four-flush is on board on the turn and you (as the villain) are up against someone who's been playing like a rock for two hours who actually called your maxed-out flop bet, are you excited about getting it in at ~2:1 with Js as your high spade, or are you at least considering downshifting? That's what I was up against.
No I'm not telling you where this place is.
We were playing ~60-70 BB effective, so it wasn't deep stack poker on that hand. A couple of us were 150-200 BB by then. I don't think it would play out the same way in no limit with 150 BB.
Sorry about the hand not being clear. I do remember he checked the river (with ~$20 behind) and I put him all-in there, so I was probably somewhere in LP but not button. I think the other villain was in SB, and was most likely the PFR.
So...
2-3 spread limit ($100 max)
$230 effective stacks
Hero: 57s
Villain (EP) calls, hero (LP) calls, SB raises to $10, villain and hero both call
Pot $30
Flop K84 (all s)
SB bets $30
Villain max raise to $100
Hero calls
SB folds
Note that villain could have made this move with many hands, including a single spade or 88/44, or even two pair with any K/8/4.
A set would give 2:1 odds (against) of hitting a full house by the river, and two pair is more like 5:1. The fold equity of getting four-flushes out would be a good move for villain. Villain could even do this as a bluff, especially if he thinks he has a decent read on the SB (who did fold, after all). I am really unlikely to cold-call here.
Pot $260
Turn 3s (K843, all s)
Villain bets $100 (max)
Hero calls
I could have dumped the hand here (see previous posts).
Pot $460
River 6s (K8436, all s)
Villain check
Hero all-in
Villain calls (~$20)
Villain shows JsTs
Hero shows 5s7s for straight flush