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Suck Outs
Seriously people, Ive been doing MTT and SNGs for a couple weeks now and if your goal is to train me to indure continuous sucks outs your site is perfect. I mean really the magic card cannot always hit against me in these all in spots with me in good every time please.
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@bunderwo - post some hand so the others here can take a peek. Horrible beats and suckouts happen to all of us, sometimes in clusters. You wouldn't believe some of the hands I was stacked with in the month of March alone. I mean flat out brutal at 5/10NL online. I've studied variance and you'd be amazed at the things that are not nearly as improbable as one might expect them to be.
Randomness is an awesome thing, and the variance in small samples is incredible. For every bad run, there will be a good run eventually. Its just as humans we are programmed to only remember the bad.
I agree. An enormous amount of river suck outs for gut shot straights and flushes too. I suspect a flaw in the way the cards are shuffled. It just happens way to often. almost always when your opponent is drawing.
hi hi sooopr and bunderwo
i play humans, real money a lot and i tell you... i can't count the number of suck-outs
that's poker, don't you agree?
to reach a place where odds and probability balance out need a zillion hands
there are always good times and bad
for example tonight i played on PokerStars, three games SNG 9players
the best hands i was dealt all night were : pairs 66, and other A7u sighs
I sure Mr Blay can program the robots so we usually win and are happy
but we no want that, do we?
Dealing mechanisms are so standard and simple that there just isn't any variability in how it is done. All sites use the same basic process and we do exactly what everyone else does.
Everything you guys are saying is rational. I didn't start this thread, however I was experiencing this and went looking in the discussions thinking that I couldn't be the only one thinking this. I play live poker every week in clubs and in casinos in NJ and PA. I definitely see more of a pattern of river suck outs on this computer model that I have ever seen elsewhere. For the most part I try to ignore it and just make sure I played the hand correctly
@sooopr - another thing I've thought of in why we hear this so much in the forums and in emails even though it isn't reality is that you play a TON more hands here than you do in a game against human opponents, plus you fold all your bad hands and don't have to wait them out. So when you are playing live, you might go a couple days without a suckout of any kind. But here, since all your time is spent on hands you can play, you see so many more hands you might experience 2-3 seeming suckouts each session. I looked into it in a lot of detail for one user a few months ago who was insistent that he was getting jobbed. When I filtered his hands for him in a certain way, he was able to see that what he saw as a ridiculous number of times he ran into AA when he had KK or QQ was solely a function of how many hands he was playing and how many times he was getting KK and QQ as a result. The sheer number of hands in psychology terms increased the availability of the suckouts because they happened so much more often for our members playing a ton of hands on the site and we are so hard-wired to absolutely hate bad beats.
Yes I did consider that. A few months ago I calculated the average amount of hands I am dealt per level in a live tournament and adjusted my tournament structure on your site. Typically 10-15 minute levels on your site would equate to 1 hour in a live setting based on hands dealt per level. I do play a lot of hands in general on your site, and sometimes my attention isn't fully there while I am practicing. I do get your point, and I am experienced enough to understand variance in poker. The only conclusion I can draw in addition to sheer volume of hands is that in live play with real money on the line, a human being may not take so many gut shots, open enders, or weakish flush draws to the river when facing large turn bets, despite implied odds. A lot of fish might, but they don't understand the concept of implied odds anyway. The settings I play on your site or the hardest level with the loosest players so that can be a contributor also. Thanks for responding.