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Any advice thanks
Okay,
A little history before you comment. This is LOW Stakes. Most of the Bots call with ridiculous hands. This Bot in particular will call to the point of ALL IN with a pair of 10's.
Perhaps my aggro nature and absolutely hating this bots guts made me a little tilty. LOL.
I was also using the Advisor to check my Bet Sizing. ARGGGGGGGGGH.
Cupcake
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@cupcake - I have to admit I laughed out loud when I saw who the bot was. Before I saw the table, I was thinking it was her. Yes, I know its unnatural to hate a bot but I come real close with this one. Should have been named Emma Donkey
She's an annoying calling station for sure.
Got it - low stakes. In general they say to open larger with premium hands but that's up to you. These types of opponents aren't folding pairs or any decent Ax or most "pretty looking" hands like Broadways or suited connectors. They aren't folding to 2.5x or to 3.5x or to 5.5x. Where is the cutoff? They have inelastic ranges and don't pay attention so you can just raise your strong hands more and your speculative hands less and most low-level players won't adapt to exploit you anyway. Get maximum value for your premiums.
The bot flopped effectively the nuts and there's nothing you can do about that. What I recommend though is a smaller C-bet size on the flop. This is about as dry a flop as you can get. There is no need to fire full-pot at it, especially with AA. What card are you afraid of coming out on the turn? Your opponents either have a K or a pair (55+) or they don't. You can fire 33% of pot at flops like this and increase your profitability both for value and on bluffs. Say you raised with AQs and this flop came out. If you are betting 33% of pot, you can profitably make this play because it only has to get through 16.5% of the time. You have probably 2 live cards to improve if you are called. Now say you raised with AKs and this flop hit - instead of having to slow play your hand and try to induce bluffs, if your opponents know you are betting with a hand or without, they are less likely to fold. You get some pots from a successful bluff and build some very large pots when you have the nuts. Your opponents will not be able to tell which you have so they can't exploitatively fold and deny you value.
Now, another good reason for betting smaller at a paired flop with a pocket pair is what happened here. Low stakes players are really nice about telling you how strong their hands are. They fold when they have nothing, call when they have anything or a shot at something and raise when they have a made monster hand or the nut-flush draw. That's the whole story and you should thank them for telling it so clearly. When you see a scary board and get raised by a fish, they have you beat. I don't care how good your hand was preflop, its no good now. Unless you have a very good chance to improve and are in position, you have to cry-fold when you are faced with action like this.
I know it doesn't make sense in a theoretical way but these players bet exactly what they have. Heck, I was playing with some of the strongest bots last night and I saw a hand where a bot flopped quads and shoved over the initial raisers c-bet. Huh? Why in the world would you want to scare off your customer when you have the absolute nuts and someone willing to build the pot for you? Well, because they're fish and get excited and because some people can't fold when they know they need to. Don't be that guy. Accept the bad beat and move on. You will get the fish's money eventually if you play them long enough. The key is to get them to pay you off but you don't return the favor. Yes, you will sometimes be folding the best hand but that doesn't matter. What matters is who walks away from the table with the money at the end.
Pot cbet, a call, and a raise. That's a fold at low stakes. @1warlock is right. Low stakes players tell the truth.
So you either punch the wall folding AA or because you lost a stack to the evil Miss Lyons.
Her avi even looks evil. Doesn't it?
Note: Billy plays very similar to real 1,2 players. He calls. I never won a hand when he raised.
Added: In this week's AA challenge, I was beaten 3 times by sets. ))
Warlock, Thanks for that GREAT comment. I thought everyone could have a good laugh at my wish to commit some sort of Bot assasination. Everyone, including you have given such terrific commments previously as well and what did I do? LOL. At the beginning, I used the feature to peak at Bots hand after I folded and saw that I was folding to really weak hands. Of course I do know that micro stakes, mid and high stakes will usually have different skill levels but I am determined to get better at also "reading according to the level and the player " .
" You can fire 33% of pot at flops like this and increase your profitability both for value and on bluffs. Say you raised with AQs and this flop came out. If you are betting 33% of pot, you can profitably make this play because it only has to get through 16.5% of the time." BINGO. I don't think I am great at bet sizing. Also, I was checking my Bet sizing with the LAG advisor who's name escapes me and he was egging me on to jam it. Basically saying that she couldn't bust a grape in fruit fight and to go for it. LOL. I sort of cursed him out as well. You know how the advisors say "oooh, I love this hand so much! ooooh, there are not enough chips in the stack for THIS HAND! ooh, I would re-mortgage my home and jam it if I were you! Pot it, baby, POT IT! I need to stop looking to the advisor for bet sizing help. (I do realize that they are there for general assesment)My problem is not when to jack up my " pay to play" but how much according to the level AND player. LOL. I need to remember that I am playing with the crew of the SS Captain Obvious at this level. Thanks so much, CC Its cry-fold time. WAHHHHHHHHHHH
Hey Highfive, thanks for your input and good laugh. I actually learn better if humor is involved. Serously, I started hating virutual bot guts? LOL
laughs...
think i need play the robots more, so i too can get to know & and hate some of them too
i think my greatest losses have been when I had AA or KK lol
problem is you can hardly ever improve on them what like 8% to get a match by the river? Warlock will give us the exact math....
they usually just 1 pair and a lot defeats a pair
so a lot to be said for large aggressive pre-flop bet to get as many weaker & drawing hands out of the equation, lots of people at this point in the pot or still to act... maybe a larger raise pre-flop?
when the board flops any pair I get nervous, specially if they KK, QQ, JJ etc cause one of those cards likely in villains range, straight or flush fear isnt with that board texture
when villain raises your Cbet i be very nervous, red flag
what she have to commit that many chips? another high pair? a K?
2 pair out of question with that board
is a LP player so not a bluff/steal attempt get you off hand?
what does she think you have? with how you bet it needs assume a premium hand, exactly what you have
and her raise she assumes she has you beat?
you out of position...
i would have checked the turn and see what she does and expect an all-in shove
then I would have a yikes decision to make
i would placed her on likely AK...
would i have folded AA to an all-in shove... i don't know depends on how much real money was involved... real money makes a huge diff
with how that went, I would then try get to showdown as cheap as possible
we get AA once every 212 time, so we gotta mostly play it - specially against robots when isnt our $50 at risk laughs
geeze this game is simpler when see all the cards huh???
A tough spot for sure. My only observation is that when your bet on the flop gets called and then raised on a K-K-5 rainbow board, you have to at least give some serious thought to being up against 5-5 for, more likely, K-x. There are zero draws, so what is the bot pushing that hard with? Maybe Q-Q or J-J, but I'd probably have expected to hear more from either of those hands by a re-raise pre-flop. The raise of your flop bet there starts to look, to me, a lot like K-Q, K-J, K-10, or maybe even A-K played lightly pre-flop in position. I agree with the prior assertions that in a casino low stakes game, I reluctantly decide to just lose a small pot there and fold A-A on the flop.
The other problem, obviously, is that if you're up against any random K-x, you have only two outs on the turn and river - which is the huge downside of holding a big pocket pair and getting outflopped.
A-A, as good as it is, is still only one pair until another A hits.
"My only observation is that when your bet on the flop gets called and then raised on a K-K-5 rainbow board, you have to at least give some serious thought to being up against 5-5 for, more likely, K-x. There are zero draws, so what is the bot pushing that hard with? Maybe Q-Q or J-J, but I'd probably have expected to hear more from either of those hands by a re-raise pre-flop." Exactly MAM! Michelle Lyons is always trying to call me down with lame hands so I did not give her much respect. In the medium difficulty ring games? You bet I would have considered the 5-5, K-x. Its sort of tough at this missing ring of "Dante's Inferno, calling station, fish fest that I am in.
Its not much of a hand sampling but at 3,490 I am running at BB 52.98/100(with my Hall of Shame postings) which will of course plummet by the time I hit at least 10,000 hands. That is for this beginner level. I actually am thoroughly enjoying the Medium Ring games where I am not getting called on EVERY hand. LOL.
Thanks again for you input,
CC