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Crazy last hand in FTT - Comments and laughs welcomed
https://www.advancedpokertraining.com/poker/game.php?replay_id=153141&advisor_id=-1
I'm not sure how to post it directly to the Forum. It was the final hand of the game so I couldn't use the "Tag Previous Hand" key.
I'll refrain from my thoughts until the laughing stops. Hate to be rude and interrupt everyone's good time 
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Surprise! Is online poker rigged? ) ha
LOL - I'll refrain from commenting until a few others have had a chance to get a giggle or two.
Anyone know how to post the hand directly and not just the link?
@1warlock
@highfive - thanks. I was looking at the hands I saved for review and all I saw was a "share" option. That gave me a link, not a direct way to post. Not sure what's going on with me lately as I seem to be having trouble navigating some of the features here. Usually I'm pretty good at this stuff because I poke around, look under the hood and kick all the tires.
Anyway, I actually thought I played this one ok but maybe I shouldn't have re-shoved on the turn? My checking frequency OOP on the flop is 100% by default. If I notice a way to exploit a player, I'll deviate from that if I have to but otherwise I'm always checking HU to the initial raiser. I didn't consider 3-betting preflop though maybe I should have? Its a very playable hand for me but not one that could take a 4-bet OOP so I thought the call was the best move. Flopping an OESF draw is kind of special. The villain had fired a c-bet close to 90% of the time and I was looking for one here to check-raise large. I'd be happy to get it all in right then so if he would have 4-bet, I'd simply shove. He checked back and that made things interesting.
The offsuit 9 on the turn gave me the straight and I still had the straight flush and flush draws. I thought I needed to induce a bet so checked again. He did so I of course raised. He could have open-shoved and I'm calling all day long with this hand. When he re-raised I did not consider JT to be honest. I was thinking maybe he slow-played a set or picked up 2-pair or maybe even just a heart-draw. JT is such a small part of his range that I didn't see it. I also would have thought JT would c-bet and try to take it down on the flop. Oops. So when he 4-bet me I had only 2 options, to call or shove. I think shove is the better option as he obviously liked his hand a lot and I'm mostly good in that spot. Even if I was against JT (even JcTc), I still had outs to improve. Heads-up I can't imagine ever finding a fold on any river here anyway. Could I fold to a heart the way the action went? Against a total fish I probably cry-fold because a fish would never jam in that spot without the flush. Against any moderately competent player I don't see folding this straight heads up.
Rough way to end the game but sometimes its just your turn to die in a tournament. If you have a better way to play the hand that would yield a different result in spots like this, I'm all ears.
I'm not folding to anyone there with outs against anything.
I would say you played it fine. However I'm 3bet heavy with 67s HU. I 3bet that in 9 max some so much more HU. In this spot, I cbet 60% and call it off obv.
Not sure if you get a fold pre with JTo but likely get a fold against a good player with the cbet.
Some gutters have to be folded and the ones with no backdoor flush are fold candidates. You can have a queen or 2 here and villain could be calling where pairing his hole card(s) is still not good.
So he's down to 4 outs for his life. So if he raises my cbet, I'm shipping. You are in good shape against anything he has on this board.
After some thought, I 3bet here 80% pre.
MY2C
@highfive - I certainly can see the merits in a 3-bet pre here. 6/7s is a hand that I'm happy taking flops with but don't want to bloat the pot OOP or get blown off my equity if 4-bet on. I divide my 3-bet candidates into really strong hands, hands too good to fold but too weak to just call with and some total garbage just to get a good balance. I'm more likely to 3-bet Q9s than 6/7s, especially HU where high-cards matter more than they do full-ring. I defend about 70% and open about 80%. I really don't have much of a limping range unless I know villain isn't raising every time. If I can get that read then I'll mix things up with an open-limping strategy but generally if I'm playing the hand, I'm open-raising it.
Thanks for the analysis. I was really counting on a c-bet from villain on the flop. Oh well. I wound up trapping myself - LOL. That was one dirty turn card
I just watched an Alex Fitzgerald video and it looks like he would have recommended a donk-lead in my spot with plans to triple barrel favorable runouts. I've got to think about this because I don't have a donking range. Thoughts anyone? Does anyone donk-lead in their games and if so, what ranges and situations do you find it works?
Just different styles and strats.The whole point of my polarized 3bet is that 7 high doesnt have much equity so its an easy muck facing a 4bet. Also I can cbet bluff into my perceived 3bet range if high cards come or cbet for value if I flop something like this hand.
The high card value of Q9s is why I dont 3bet it fearing being blown off its real equity HU.
Like the debate. Keep bringing it.
How does a player balance when donking? No idea.
As a low limit live player, I'm forced to donk rivers some because checkback frequency is so high. Its near impossible to get a river c/r value or bluff Or even a check call on river.
I can see leading on a draw heavy flop multiway when I flopped a set or similar to get value and encourage a spaz to raise.
My2C
How does a player balance when donking? No idea.
As a low limit live player, I'm forced to donk rivers some because checkback frequency is so high. Its near impossible to get a river c/r value or bluff Or even a check call on river.
I can see leading on a draw heavy flop multiway when I flopped a set or similar to get value and encourage a spaz to raise.
My2C
@highfive " I can see leading on a draw heavy flop multiway when I flopped a set or similar to get value and encourage a spaz to raise."
Multiway is a different story. Everything becomes more complicated multiway, including relative hand strengths. I think its a far more value-weighted game with extremely polarized ranges postflop. If anyone is betting out into the field on the flop I think those bets contain far more value than even semi-bluffs. I don't see any pure bluffs donking into the field but maybe on really dry boards that totally miss everyone else's ranges like 223 its possible. If this was a 3+ person hand, I'd almost certainly lead with the OESFD.
When you donk rivers in your games, how are you playing the turn? I assume you donk rivers when checked back on the turn? Otherwise I like setting up the river with a check-raise on the turn if they continue to fire. Gives me options to bluff my missed draws as well. All depends on what I think I can get to call me or fold.