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Hmmm I think you have to call. You can have 4s, 7s, Qs unlikely for her since you can see two qs (only 1 combo of qs left). You can not have KK OR AA assuming you are not the type to call AA or KK in position. She can have those. Only 8 of 16 combos of Aq since you can see 2 Qs. KK reduced by half since you have one. I dont think she has JJ or 22. Most bots here bet with an overcard flop to JJ but many good players check. No straights or flushes available. That reduces the number of holdings that beat you. So you are behind some hands here but this is not a bottom range "genius" call.
Next question is: What are her bluffs here? She has a few AK, 9T, 56, A3, 53, missed spades........Wow. Now that i wrote it out, You have to call. She has too many bluffs. This is not ALWAYS value. Folding here would be very tight but explainable. I say you can't fear the worst case scenario all the time. Sometimes you call properly and lose.
1. Find the hand in your Saved Sessions and replay it. Jam the river. I bet she calls for all the same reasons.
2. Consider 3 betting here. Since we see her hand she's not folding but 3 betting defines her hand better. I think a 3bet folds out 22, 44, 77. Heck she might fold Kq! Remember. You are not playing her hand. You are playing her range. 3bet allows you to win the hand more or lose less than as played. If she 4 bets you can easily fold, you don't have to wonder whether or not she has AA, KK, Ak. You lose less. See? Once you 3bet and she calls, then you might find a fold on the turn since you have MADE her reveal the strength of her hand somewhat.
Good luck and post the replay jam river results. JMTC @yass_dur@1warlock
@highfive - hero did 3-bet this hand. Changes the range assessments quite a bit as hero now has AA, KK and AK but villain doesn't.
My take on this hand is a bit different. I may flat a villain open with KQo in position if I had no info on the villains tendencies. If I knew she was opening wide, I'd 3-bet. If she was tight, I'd consider releasing it preflop. The problem with KQ is that sometimes you make top-pair but not top kicker. Its a dangerous hand for that reason. If hero flatted the open, he'd keep the pot reasonable and have some room to raise flop leadout by villain but not commit so many chips.
As played, villain leads out after being raised on the flop. This is usually strength, IMO. I'd read TPTK at a minimum. The sizing is weird as its a smaller bet in relation to the pot than the call on the flop. This seemed odd to me. People rarely lead into the last raiser. I'm not sure what the heck to do here frankly. I'd be pretty sure I'm beat but the bet sizing makes folding almost impossible. Same with the river bet. Both bets were sized to be called, also indicating to me that they were value bets. How can you raise the flop lead and then fold turn or river getting 6:1 for a call.
I think bot played this hand really well, extracting max value from 2nd best hand. My takeaway would be to keep the pot small and fold or flat pre-flop and play TP cautiously in spots like these. Another possible option would have been to flat the leadout on the flop and re-evaluate on the turn. That was as dry a board as you get so hero doesn't need to protect against draws. Keep the pot small and get to showdown. Don't bloat the pot in spots where you are only being called by better hands.
Correct. I looked up. The pop up was there. I saw 00 and thought call without reading the pop up. Upon further review I might find a fold. Probably not but the info needed is there. You got info from the 3bet and the flop raise/ call. I think this one might have my hair standing up on my neck. After all that aggression she still leads. Now i think i"m surprised she only had tptk. I wouldn't raise flop. I call, call, decide depending on history/player type. I call now that I recheck the river bet size.haha I keep changing my mind. It is a call. 7/1 odds is a call. Thanks for the correction @1warlock . 30k into 211k is 7/1. )) back atcha )
The small bets are blocker bets i think.
@highfive@1warlock Thank you both for your answers. Jamming the river didn't change anything, However jamming on the flop made the bot fold even though I believe it is not the right move. Thank you.
@highfive said: Thanks for the correction @1warlock . 30k into 211k is 7/1. )) back atcha )
I went for simplicity and averaged the turn and river sizing (5:1 turn and 7:1 river). Unless I keep my math simple, I wind up craving Pi Any way you slice it, these are bet sizes meant to bleed you dry. I've also seen these sizes as blockers, extracting value while being cautious of opponent making 2-pair. One of the more interesting moves I've seen a bot make here and I kind of like it - although I think check-calling or check raising would have been a better technical play.
@yass_dur - you are very welcome. I always enjoy thinking hands through.
I would have 3bet the turn to figure out where i was at (and also pick up fold equity) instead of calling all the way down.
And on the river you should know your beat; she opened preflop and called you 3bet out of position, followed by her leading into you on multiple streets while you have her stack well covered. That line screams strength, and you have to put her on AQ or a set
I wouldn't 3 bet pre-flop with that hand. Flat call, then reraise the flop to see where you're at. If she re-re-raises then it's an automatic fold. If she just calls and checks the turn, then bet 3/4 of the pot and see what happens. Might be expensive but less so than calling all the way.
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Hmmm I think you have to call. You can have 4s, 7s, Qs unlikely for her since you can see two qs (only 1 combo of qs left). You can not have KK OR AA assuming you are not the type to call AA or KK in position. She can have those. Only 8 of 16 combos of Aq since you can see 2 Qs. KK reduced by half since you have one. I dont think she has JJ or 22. Most bots here bet with an overcard flop to JJ but many good players check. No straights or flushes available. That reduces the number of holdings that beat you. So you are behind some hands here but this is not a bottom range "genius" call.
Next question is: What are her bluffs here? She has a few AK, 9T, 56, A3, 53, missed spades........Wow. Now that i wrote it out, You have to call. She has too many bluffs. This is not ALWAYS value. Folding here would be very tight but explainable. I say you can't fear the worst case scenario all the time. Sometimes you call properly and lose.
1. Find the hand in your Saved Sessions and replay it. Jam the river. I bet she calls for all the same reasons.
2. Consider 3 betting here. Since we see her hand she's not folding but 3 betting defines her hand better. I think a 3bet folds out 22, 44, 77. Heck she might fold Kq! Remember. You are not playing her hand. You are playing her range. 3bet allows you to win the hand more or lose less than as played. If she 4 bets you can easily fold, you don't have to wonder whether or not she has AA, KK, Ak. You lose less. See? Once you 3bet and she calls, then you might find a fold on the turn since you have MADE her reveal the strength of her hand somewhat.
Good luck and post the replay jam river results. JMTC
@yass_dur @1warlock
@highfive - hero did 3-bet this hand. Changes the range assessments quite a bit as hero now has AA, KK and AK but villain doesn't.
My take on this hand is a bit different. I may flat a villain open with KQo in position if I had no info on the villains tendencies. If I knew she was opening wide, I'd 3-bet. If she was tight, I'd consider releasing it preflop. The problem with KQ is that sometimes you make top-pair but not top kicker. Its a dangerous hand for that reason. If hero flatted the open, he'd keep the pot reasonable and have some room to raise flop leadout by villain but not commit so many chips.
As played, villain leads out after being raised on the flop. This is usually strength, IMO. I'd read TPTK at a minimum. The sizing is weird as its a smaller bet in relation to the pot than the call on the flop. This seemed odd to me. People rarely lead into the last raiser. I'm not sure what the heck to do here frankly. I'd be pretty sure I'm beat but the bet sizing makes folding almost impossible. Same with the river bet. Both bets were sized to be called, also indicating to me that they were value bets. How can you raise the flop lead and then fold turn or river getting 6:1 for a call.
I think bot played this hand really well, extracting max value from 2nd best hand. My takeaway would be to keep the pot small and fold or flat pre-flop and play TP cautiously in spots like these. Another possible option would have been to flat the leadout on the flop and re-evaluate on the turn. That was as dry a board as you get so hero doesn't need to protect against draws. Keep the pot small and get to showdown. Don't bloat the pot in spots where you are only being called by better hands.
Correct. I looked up. The pop up was there. I saw 00 and thought call without reading the pop up. Upon further review I might find a fold. Probably not but the info needed is there. You got info from the 3bet and the flop raise/ call. I think this one might have my hair standing up on my neck. After all that aggression she still leads. Now i think i"m surprised she only had tptk. I wouldn't raise flop. I call, call, decide depending on history/player type. I call now that I recheck the river bet size.haha I keep changing my mind. It is a call. 7/1 odds is a call. Thanks for the correction @1warlock . 30k into 211k is 7/1. )) back atcha )
The small bets are blocker bets i think.
@highfive @1warlock Thank you both for your answers. Jamming the river didn't change anything, However jamming on the flop made the bot fold even though I believe it is not the right move. Thank you.
@1warlock Thank you for your feedback, Indeed flat then call, call then either fold or call sounds profitable here.
I went for simplicity and averaged the turn and river sizing (5:1 turn and 7:1 river). Unless I keep my math simple, I wind up craving Pi
Any way you slice it, these are bet sizes meant to bleed you dry. I've also seen these sizes as blockers, extracting value while being cautious of opponent making 2-pair. One of the more interesting moves I've seen a bot make here and I kind of like it - although I think check-calling or check raising would have been a better technical play.
@yass_dur - you are very welcome. I always enjoy thinking hands through.
I would have 3bet the turn to figure out where i was at (and also pick up fold equity) instead of calling all the way down.
And on the river you should know your beat; she opened preflop and called you 3bet out of position, followed by her leading into you on multiple streets while you have her stack well covered. That line screams strength, and you have to put her on AQ or a set
I wouldn't 3 bet pre-flop with that hand. Flat call, then reraise the flop to see where you're at. If she re-re-raises then it's an automatic fold. If she just calls and checks the turn, then bet 3/4 of the pot and see what happens. Might be expensive but less so than calling all the way.
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